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Timber Wolf retracking question
« on: Nov 17, 2008, 08:32 »
Is it possible that when maintenance is re-tracking the Timber Wolf that they aren't basing their wood cuts off what the design says, but rather just copying the pieces that they pull off? If they are just copying pieces it could explain why the track is still pretty rough.

What would be nice is if they took the top two boards on the track and shaped them to the proper radius and then stick them up on the curve. Another big thing that could fix the ride in it's current state is to get guide wheels that touched the track at all times, or had less play between the track and wheel. It would eliminate loads of shuffling.

Anyone know the exact procedure?
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Re: Timber Wold retracking question
« Reply #1 on: Nov 17, 2008, 08:40 »
I don't believe that they are just pulling off wood and then replacing it in the same shape.  Since they're putting metal bracing on the turns to maintain a constant gauge I would think that they are redesigning the track to a certain degree.  The ride has certainly improved over the last couple of years and they're not even done.  I doubt that it will ever be perfect but how many old wood coasters are returned to perfection after they reach 20 years old?

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Re: Timber Wold retracking question
« Reply #2 on: Nov 17, 2008, 11:53 »
This is as far as my understanding when it comes to tracking wooden coasters so take it with a grain of salt.

Wood coaster track pieces are not shaped when they are added, for example they don't take a piece of wood and then cut it into a 180 degree arch and then lay that on the bents.  (that would be a huge waste!), they take normal 2X4's (I think) lay them out flat, and then cut the excess off.  Many times these pieces will be laid at a diaginal, especially on curves.  If it makes it easier I will use an example. 

If laying wooden coaster track was like making a 3-layer round cake.  What the construction works are doing is making 3 square cakes, laying them on top of each other, and then cutting around the edges to make it round. 

BTW you certainly in the best of circumstances wouldn't want them to only replace two layers (obviously if that's the only option its better then nothing), you would want them to replace as many layers as possible.  I believe T-wolf was built with 8 layers of track, and then when it was re-tracked that was expanded up to 11-12 layers (someone correct me if I am wrong).  The more track that is replaced the longer the track re-tracking job will last, and the longer the coaster will remain smooth.

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Re: Timber Wolf retracking question
« Reply #3 on: Nov 17, 2008, 12:56 »
I was referring to the radius shaping of the 2x12 planks. The bending is done on the ride, but do they cut it in the air too? The track is made of stacks of usually 2x10 with two layers of 2x12 on top (providing a lip for the upstop wheels). The 2x12's are what the guide wheels (side wheels) come in contact with, and those are the most important to remain in their shape. What I noticed on Timber Wolf is that the boards are not cut in a constant radius, but almost (exaggerated) not cut much at all. If the radius was smooth throughout the whole turn, the cars wouldn't bounce as much.

Maybe I'm not explaining myself well enough, I'll make a diagram when I get back from the Vet.
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Re: Timber Wolf retracking question
« Reply #4 on: Dec 19, 2008, 10:34 »
So I know Prowler is obviously the main topic nowadays, but I was wondering if anyone knows if there will be more re-tracking done for 2009 and what areas they are going to work on?

And we are still waiting for that diagram AyTrane :P

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Re: Timber Wolf retracking question
« Reply #5 on: Dec 19, 2008, 10:55 »
Work is scheduled for TW and I believe that the final turn into the 1st set of brakes is one of the areas that they're going to work on (not 100% sure though).

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Re: Timber Wolf retracking question
« Reply #6 on: Dec 19, 2008, 11:00 »
When Brandon and I did our drive around the park Wednesday, he stated that "yes" they were going ahead with schedule on retracking Timberwolf (they are contracted to do a certain dollar amount of work each year for a set number of seasons) but at this time he was unaware exactly where they were doing work this season.


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Re: Timber Wolf retracking question
« Reply #7 on: Dec 19, 2008, 11:12 »
Cool.  Thanks for the info guys.

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Re: Timber Wolf retracking question
« Reply #8 on: Dec 19, 2008, 12:15 »
why would anyone ride timberwold next year...

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Re: Timber Wolf retracking question
« Reply #9 on: Dec 19, 2008, 12:44 »
Um, maybe because it is still a fun coaster?  That's like asking why anyone rode Screamin' Eagle at SFStL when *clearly* Evel Knievel is the better coaster. :idea1:

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Re: Timber Wolf retracking question
« Reply #10 on: Dec 19, 2008, 01:08 »
I wish they would install a few magnetic brakes on TW.  I don't mean mid-course but just at the end of the ride.  Putting one on the transfer track before the station would make for a much more comfartable braking in the station.

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Re: Timber Wolf retracking question
« Reply #11 on: Dec 19, 2008, 01:49 »
why would anyone ride timberwold next year...

Same reason people still ride Magnum XL-200 when clearly Millennium Force is a much better ride

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Re: Timber Wolf retracking question
« Reply #12 on: Feb 6, 2009, 04:07 »
The 2nd drop is getting completely replaced (all layers).  Work began today.

They might be working on other sections as well.  :dunno:

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Re: Timber Wolf retracking question
« Reply #13 on: Feb 6, 2009, 08:16 »
Sounds good I hope they continue it through the bobs turn.

I don't know why everyone disses T-wolf, there are MANY MANY wooden coasters that make T-wolf seem world class.  Least we forget at one time Timber Wolf was truly world class.  (voted #2 in the world in 1990 and #1 in the world in 1991)

BTW the "who would want to ride those old coasters" is the same thought process that has made our 20 year old Timberwolf the oldest coaster in a 36 year old park!


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Re: Timber Wolf retracking question
« Reply #14 on: Feb 6, 2009, 09:07 »
Yeah, exactly. I would take Timber Wolf over Screamin' Eagle any day. (Night is a different story.) It's a little rough if you're wimpy, maybe. It's not painful, like old wooden coasters can so easily be. And the retracking as already helped a ton. Imagine what another off-season will do.
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Re: Timber Wolf retracking question
« Reply #15 on: Feb 6, 2009, 09:17 »
I Love both Timber Wolf and Screaming Eagle

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Re: Timber Wolf retracking question
« Reply #16 on: Feb 18, 2009, 05:51 »
Timber Wolf is my favorite ride in the park and I can't wait to see what this retracking is gonna do for it. A nice retracking is gonna be amazing for Timber Wolf that's all I know. April 18th can't come soon enough!
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Re: Timber Wolf retracking question
« Reply #17 on: Feb 19, 2009, 12:01 »
I can't agree more with Jennifer on this one. 
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Re: Timber Wolf retracking question
« Reply #18 on: Feb 19, 2009, 03:21 »
^Well you can pretty much say...
ANY coaster named G.A.S.M. = teh sux

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Re: Timber Wolf retracking question
« Reply #19 on: Feb 19, 2009, 09:17 »
Swoosh not an Arrow Mega-Coaster fan?
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Re: Timber Wolf retracking question
« Reply #20 on: Feb 20, 2009, 06:20 »
Well Viper at SFMM is ok, but for the most part, no.


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Re: Timber Wolf retracking question
« Reply #21 on: Feb 20, 2009, 10:03 »
since tw isnt the worse we should shut up an like it...got it...

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Re: Timber Wolf retracking question
« Reply #22 on: Feb 20, 2009, 10:33 »
Vortex at Kings Island, aside from the exit of the corkscrew?
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Re: Timber Wolf retracking question
« Reply #23 on: Feb 20, 2009, 10:36 »
since tw isnt the worse we should shut up an like it...got it...
I don't think that you have to like it.  I hated wood coasters just a few years ago.  Something changed over the years though and I have a new appreciation for them.  I even started to like Boss last year, which 4 years ago seemed impossible.

Vortex at Kings Island, aside from the exit of the corkscrew?
I personally can't stand any looping Arrow.  I just don't fit into them.  The drops are usually pretty awesome though.

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Re: Timber Wolf retracking question
« Reply #24 on: Feb 20, 2009, 10:59 »
Jason I have the same problem -- you have to sit in the nose of a car so that you can have more leg room, the back of a car is terrible for trying to fold your legs into -- and that goes for any type of Arrow train.

As far as woodies go, I guess I am jaded, but really the only wooden coasters that I like are GCI built.  I think the Millennium Flyers have a lot to do with that, but besides that they are better built and engineered.  There are some select few woodies (Legend & Raven) that I do like that are not GCI built, but the list is few and far between.

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Re: Timber Wolf retracking question
« Reply #25 on: Feb 20, 2009, 11:03 »
Leg room is only half of the problem.  My torso doesn't fit either.  So I have to bend in an awkward way to fit thus reducing my ability to absorb forces.

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Re: Timber Wolf retracking question
« Reply #26 on: Feb 20, 2009, 11:26 »
sounds like to much work to me

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Re: Timber Wolf retracking question
« Reply #27 on: Feb 20, 2009, 11:47 »
since tw isnt the worse we should shut up an like it...got it...
I'm pretty sure that's not the message anyone is trying to get across.
We're just saying that Timberwolf isn't as bad as everyone seems to think.
Most people hate it because they don't have another Woody to base it off of. So it kind of upsets us because it's a bit unfair to make judgments like that.
(Not saying that you haven't gone on any other woodies or that you're an unfair judge)
I think we're all just basically sick of everyone bashing a woody that really isn't bad.

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Re: Timber Wolf retracking question
« Reply #28 on: Feb 20, 2009, 03:04 »
Leg room is only half of the problem.  My torso doesn't fit either.  So I have to bend in an awkward way to fit thus reducing my ability to absorb forces.

Oh I forgot about the fact that your torso is longer than mine yet we are practically the same height. 

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Re: Timber Wolf retracking question
« Reply #29 on: Mar 9, 2009, 10:21 »
Pulled this off the GCII site:

"Our Millennium Flyer trains may be available for existing wooden roller coasters that meet Great Coasters' strict standards for track and structure condition, as well as acceptable dynamic profiles. We are available to assess these conditions and help you with any necessary improvements that may be required in order to make your coaster fly."

This may just be really wishful thinking, but is it possible that all the work to Timberwolf would qualify it for MF trains?
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