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Re: Worlds of Fun Potentially up for Sale
« Reply #90 on: Mar 16, 2009, 10:10 »
This isn't a big deal IMO.  You can't put land/parks on the market without a "Realtor".  I still don't see someone paying sticker price for the park in this market and I don't see Cedar Fair giving someone a discount.

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Re: Worlds of Fun Potentially up for Sale
« Reply #91 on: Mar 16, 2009, 12:28 »
I know they can pay off big debts by selling it, but I would think keeping it in the long run would pay off for them more...but whatever.

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Re: Worlds of Fun Potentially up for Sale
« Reply #92 on: Mar 16, 2009, 01:19 »
...I don't see Cedar Fair giving someone a discount.

To some extent I agree.  However, if one company were to make an offer on two or all three parks then I could see CF coming down on their price some. 

My dream scenario (admittedly unlikely) is PARC finding a financial backer for WOF and VF and making a deal proposal to the 49ers.  PARC could offer CF something like 2o0 million for all the properties.  CGA would then be immediately sold to the 49ers while the other two would be sold to another investor and PARC would lease back and operate all three.  This strategy would help the 49ers get a better deal on CGA by essentially giving CF an all or nothing option making them more likely to sell the parks for less.
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Re: Worlds of Fun Potentially up for Sale
« Reply #93 on: Mar 17, 2009, 03:37 »
So 200 million up front, and not to mention the cost of refurbishing the park to exclude copyrights and update it to the new owner's standards.

It's just a risky game.
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« Reply #94 on: Mar 17, 2009, 04:25 »
^No, not really.  Under this strategy it would be the 49ers and some other company (perhaps CNL?) making the investment of 200 million for purchasing the parks.  PARC would only be paying for minor licensing modifications, any cap ex expansions, and yearly lease payments.

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Re: Worlds of Fun Potentially up for Sale
« Reply #95 on: Mar 17, 2009, 05:31 »
Yeah, they're not that smart -- you're giving them too much credit there.

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Re: Worlds of Fun Potentially up for Sale
« Reply #96 on: Jul 23, 2009, 06:22 »
It looks like CF has reduced it's debt load through the sale of the Canadian land.

http://www.cedarfair.com/ir/press_releases/index.cfm?current_root=15&mode=story&story_id=197

I wonder if this has any affect on WoF being for sale???  I'm surprised that we haven't seen any news on the CGA situation.  It sounded like the city wanted to get a quick jump on the stadium deal.

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Re: Worlds of Fun Potentially up for Sale
« Reply #97 on: Jul 23, 2009, 07:58 »
From what it sounds like, CGA might be the next Geauga.
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Re: Worlds of Fun Potentially up for Sale
« Reply #98 on: Jul 23, 2009, 08:13 »
^Yea but because of the City of San Francisco, not because of CF.
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Re: Worlds of Fun Potentially up for Sale
« Reply #99 on: Jul 23, 2009, 08:29 »
Well according to Brandon on the latest Blog posting of "Hot Air" someone asked that same question and he said not to worry about WOF being sold -- so the crisis may have been adverted at this time

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Re: Worlds of Fun Potentially up for Sale
« Reply #100 on: Sep 3, 2009, 10:32 »
Well it seems Screamscape is playing the Rumore mill Agin.   "Screamscape has heard a rumor that at least one potential buyer may have been sniffing around Worlds of Fun lately. Anyone know more?"
 Well not sure who has said this or who is interested

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Re: Worlds of Fun Potentially up for Sale
« Reply #101 on: Sep 3, 2009, 03:32 »
Brandon said not to worry, so I am not going to worry.

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Re: Worlds of Fun Potentially up for Sale
« Reply #102 on: Oct 22, 2009, 09:57 »
I'm guessing this is going to make it a little harder for the CGA deal to go through: http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_13617928

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Re: Worlds of Fun Potentially up for Sale
« Reply #103 on: Oct 22, 2009, 10:28 »
I'm not following.  Is this project going to stall the other stadium project?

I can see the Raiders or Chargers making a move to LA but 49er's seem like a long shot.  I would think that they would still want their stadium in the Bay area.

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Re: Worlds of Fun Potentially up for Sale
« Reply #104 on: Oct 22, 2009, 12:01 »
I'm not following.  Is this project going to stall the other stadium project?

That's what I was saying.  I think it has the possibility to mess that up since this is a done a deal and it's up to the teams (and the goverment) on who wants to move there. Since nothing seems to have moved forward on the CGA deal for a while this could be more attractive to the 49's.  And personally I can't see the Raiders moving back to LA.

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Re: Worlds of Fun Potentially up for Sale
« Reply #105 on: Oct 22, 2009, 12:06 »
I gottcha and you might be on to something.

I figured that the Raiders would be a good candidate after Al Davis dies (can't be long now).  Their stadium is one of the worst in the country.

If the 49'ers made the move I wonder if CF would try to find another way to dump CGA?  They can't exactly build anything there with all of the noise restrictions and stubborn neighbors.  Maybe they would Geuaga Lake it???

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Re: Worlds of Fun Potentially up for Sale
« Reply #106 on: Oct 22, 2009, 02:05 »
So it seems as if the Jaguars and Rams are also at the top of the list.  The Rams are for sale and a SoCal buyer could make it a done deal.  And Jacksonville should even have a team (as is evident by their home crowds).


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Re: Worlds of Fun Potentially up for Sale
« Reply #107 on: Oct 22, 2009, 02:16 »
And Jacksonville shouldn't even have a team (as is evident by their home crowds)

Fixed it for ya ;)  And yes I agree.  They have an average 60% attendance this year and are 3-3. Compared to the Chiefs who are 1-5 and have an average 88% attendance, and have a larger stadium that's pretty pathetic.

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Re: Worlds of Fun Potentially up for Sale
« Reply #108 on: Oct 22, 2009, 02:25 »
Whoops!  I almost always screw up shouldn't.

The few Jag's games that I've seen over the years seem to have the upper deck covered in a tarp.  The Ram's moving back to LA is an interesting idea. 

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Re: Worlds of Fun Potentially up for Sale
« Reply #109 on: May 17, 2010, 10:57 »
I know that we pretty much assumed this storm had passed but it's very much official now.

http://www.sanduskyregister.com/articles/2010/05/17/front/doc4bf0c8a1b9f67546833250.txt

WoF hasn't been on the market for a while.

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Re: Worlds of Fun Potentially up for Sale
« Reply #110 on: May 21, 2010, 05:34 »
CEDAR FAIR COMMENCES OFFERING OF $500 MILLION SENIOR UNSECURED NOTES


SANDUSKY, OHIO, May 20, 2010 –  Cedar Fair Entertainment Company (NYSE: FUN), a leader in regional amusement parks, water parks and active entertainment, today announced its intention to offer its initial issuance of senior unsecured notes. The offering will be $500 million aggregate principal amount of senior unsecured notes due 2020 (the “Notes”) in a private placement, subject to market and other conditions. The Notes will be guaranteed by Cedar Fair’s wholly-owned subsidiaries.

 
As part of its overall refinancing plan, the Company is also launching the syndication of new senior secured credit facilities. The Company intends to use the net proceeds from the offering of the Notes, along with the new senior secured credit facilities, to repay in full all amounts outstanding under its existing credit facilities.
 
The Notes will be offered only to qualified institutional buyers under Rule 144A of the Securities Act of 1933, as amended (the “Securities Act”), and to certain non-U.S. persons in transactions outside the United States under Regulation S of the Securities Act. The initial issuance and sale of the Notes will not be registered under the Securities Act, and, the Notes may not be offered or sold in the United States absent registration or an applicable exemption from the registration requirements of the Securities Act and other applicable securities laws.
 
This news release shall not constitute an offer to sell or the solicitation of an offer to buy, nor shall there be any sale of the Notes, in any jurisdiction in which such offer, solicitation or sale would be unlawful prior to registration or qualification under the securities laws of any such jurisdiction.
 
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Re: Worlds of Fun Potentially up for Sale
« Reply #111 on: May 21, 2010, 06:33 »
That's an impressive chart and a nice find.

King's Island is highly profitable.

It seems to be common knowledge that CF over paid for the Paramount parks but over the long run it's hard to argue with results like this.

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« Reply #112 on: May 23, 2010, 04:20 »
i am surprised that cedair fair put something out like this
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Re: Worlds of Fun Potentially up for Sale
« Reply #113 on: Jun 9, 2010, 07:56 »
The the 49ers are officially moving to the CGA parking lot: http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/stories/2010/06/07/daily41.html

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Re: Worlds of Fun Potentially up for Sale
« Reply #114 on: Jun 9, 2010, 09:31 »
The the 49ers are officially moving to the CGA parking lot

I thought the 49ers were looking at building on the park instead of just the parking lot, must of read it wrong. But with them just building on the parking lot is the park planning on building another set of parking lots somewhere else or just close the doors?
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« Reply #115 on: Jun 9, 2010, 03:04 »
so now its time to call dibs on all of their rides
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« Reply #116 on: Jun 9, 2010, 03:55 »
The the 49ers are officially moving to the CGA parking lot: http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/stories/2010/06/07/daily41.html

I don't think that means the move is official, just that the stadium vote is being passed. Like the article says, what if the 49ers decide to stay? I don't think they would, but its possible.

I don't know what this means for the park. Plus, didn't the business owners around the park really object to the park's noise? True, most football games are on weekends, but one of CF's concerns was the other events at the stadium throughout the week and the offseason. Will be interesting to see this play out. I would imagine CF wants out but I don't know.

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« Reply #117 on: Jun 9, 2010, 04:13 »
The thing is they have to close on gamedays once the stadium opens there is no other option thats a huge loss of revenue
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Re: Worlds of Fun Potentially up for Sale
« Reply #118 on: Jun 9, 2010, 04:57 »
I don't think that means the move is official, just that the stadium vote is being passed. Like the article says, what if the 49ers decide to stay? I don't think they would, but its possible.

Well it has been the biggest hurdle to date and every other article I read seemed to indicate the 49ers were excited about this.  I imagine that CF will at some point close down CGA if this continues in this direction.  I wouldn't be surprised if that was the underlying motive anyway.  I'm guessing that a NFL team has a greater potential to increase taxable revenue in the area. Not to mention giving the town more opportunities to host other sporting events and concerts.

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« Reply #119 on: Jun 9, 2010, 06:13 »
Right, but I don't think CF can just pack up shop and walk away. They don't own the park. Thats the whole reason they've been opposed as an operator, they are paying to run the place and their revenue is getting chopped.